Dean Ohlman is a Christian nature writer for RBC Ministries, the publisher of the Our Daily Bread devotional. He writes on the theology of nature, creation care, and the joy of celebrating the wonder of God's handiwork.
  • Bill

    Amen! Great post.

  • http://www.wiselywoven.com J Fowler

    Hi Bill, I really like this one too. Dean makes some brilliant points here very simply.

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  • http://barefootmeg.multiply.com barefootmeg

    I'm curious where you grew up Dean, and in what denomination. I grew up first in the Catholic church, and then as a teen in the PCA (Presbyterian Church in America), and I rarely heard talk of heaven as some far off but primary goal. Granted, there wasn't a lot of preaching on the new heaven and new earth, either, but there was some. I would say the overall focus in both places was that we be people who honor God in our daily lives. In the Catholic church that generally meant being involved in helping those in need. In the PCA that leaned instead toward knowing the Bible inside and out, memorizing it, meditating on it, etc.

    In fact, the only statement I remember specifically regarding what heaven will be like was made by a PCA pastor in Colorado Springs who believed that in heaven we won't know who is who because if we did we'd be sad at those that aren't there and since we won't be sad in heaven, we must not know people by specific identities. I chalked that up to wishful but crummy use of logic and chucked the idea.

    I guess I missed out on the whole heaven-centered thing in the church. I've heard other people mention that they grew up in it also, so apparently it was a movement that was happening for awhile. I'm curious, when and where was that? Was it mostly due to a few specific preachers, or was it primarily in one or two specific denominations? or was it just a southern thing?

  • http://www.wiselywoven.com J Fowler

    @barefootmeg: I grew up in the Baptist church and my exposure to evangelical culture all my life has been centered on going to Heaven after we pass through this world. This of course makes for a very incomplete gospel when that is all you focus on. I realize now what Dean realized -that the Bible actually speaks of a renewal of both our bodies and the created order as GOD makes His dwelling with us in the end. -shalom!

  • http://barefootmeg.multiply.com barefootmeg

    Do you think this heaven-focus is primarily a Baptist thing, then?

    • http://www.wiselywoven.com J Fowler

      barefootmeg: I would say it has been a mainstream, American evangelical focus for generations, but beyond that, the church (and the world) has been riddled with a Platonic view of Heaven all throughout church history and in turn misapplied expressions of faith in JESUS. N.T. Wright talks about it a little in this great article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1710844,00.html

    • http://www.wiselywoven.com J Fowler

      barefootmeg: I would say it has been a mainstream, American evangelical focus for generations, but beyond that, the church (and the world) has been riddled with a Platonic view of Heaven all throughout church history and in turn misapplied expressions of faith in JESUS. N.T. Wright talks about it a little in this great article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1710844,00.html

    • http://www.wiselywoven.com J Fowler

      barefootmeg: I would say it has been a mainstream, American evangelical focus for generations, but beyond that, the church (and the world) has been riddled with a Platonic view of Heaven all throughout church history and in turn misapplied expressions of faith in JESUS. N.T. Wright talks about it a little in this great article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1710844,00.html

  • http://www.wiselywoven.com J Fowler

    barefootmeg: I would say it has been a mainstream, American evangelical focus for generations, but beyond that, the church (and the world) has been riddled with a Platonic view of Heaven all throughout church history and in turn misapplied expressions of faith in JESUS. N.T. Wright talks about it a little in this great article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1

  • http://barefootmeg.multiply.com barefootmeg

    I've heard others mention it as well, but as I've never experienced it, nor have I had any friends who have ever brought it up as part of their experience, so I still think it's a pretty localized thing. Yes, I can definitely see how Plato has effected our thinking. This comes up particularly when relating to the environment. But I just haven't seen it in terms of a heaven-centric focus. I'd love to get input from others in denominations other than presbyterian or baptist to see what they grew up with. (Or perhaps this is a time-localized thing and I missed it. Could it be that this was preached primarily in the 60s and earlier?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Guerrant/1471669602 Bill Guerrant

    Hey Meg:

    I grew up in a very small Methodist congregation in rural Virginia. Even though we Methodists weren't as likely to batter our fellow sinners over the head with the Bible, demanding their repentance (as it seemed our Baptist brothers and sisters did), it was clear that the whole point of Christianity was personal salvation. Being a Christian was about getting to heaven (or more often, about avoiding hell).

    But to be fair, I think the missional hermenuetic is becoming more acceptable everywhere now. I'm in a Wesleyan seminary, for example, and it was emphasized in my NT intro class.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Guerrant/1471669602 Bill Guerrant

    And another thought Meg. The Reformed (Presbyterian) tradition (and especially the PCA) has long had social justice as a point of emphasis. I think the heavencentricism (I just made that up) is more likely to be a part of conservative evangelical thinking.

  • Elaine

    Another book of interest here would be Alejandro García-Rivera's new book, The Garden of God: A Theological Cosmology. It's very readable, and seeks to retrieve the thought of Teilhard de Chardin. The main theme is to find a way we as (post)modern Christians can be at home in the universe.

  • Elaine

    Another book of interest here would be Alejandro García-Rivera's new book, The Garden of God: A Theological Cosmology. It's very readable, and seeks to retrieve the thought of Teilhard de Chardin. The main theme is to find a way we as (post)modern Christians can be at home in the universe.